Quote Originally Posted by IDCrewDawg View Post
Tom - As far as me being wrong on the dinasor thing. I was using an example that was said to me from someone who was deeply devoted to their faith. It is not something I claim to believe.

I respect peoples need and desire to have something to believe in. Believe in God, believe in science. Wherever you put your faith, don't let the logic or beliefs of another challenge you. For if you are content with the answers you get from what you believe in. Then I am happy for you

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It's not a question of happiness. I also respect peoples need and desire to have something to believe in, but since when did that entail lying to myself or our children on purpose. I very strongly believe that there's intelligent life in space on other planets. That certainly is a sort of faith, but the difference is that there's no evidence against it. I'm not denying 3000 years of systematic study just to sleep better at night. Christians or Muslims have to. I'm a big fan of critical thinking. I wish more people where.

Other peoples beliefs are challenging me. I had two wait for two hours at Gatwick to board my plane because they had to go through wevery single bit of my stuff and scan my shoes. I couldn't even bring water to drink. That's a direct result of that we're pretending like science is optional because it doesn't have all the answers. Who does? Superstition from the dark ages is poisoning our world and much too few people see this.

Science as such is undeniable. You can refute various parts of science easily. Just just need some conflicting evidence. Religions is a completly different subject. They don't have an inbuilt system for questioning its own doctrines. So they don't. Just because you don't understand science doesn't mean it doesn't make a rock solid case for itself. It makes me sad that scientists still have to constantly battle outdated belief systems instead of doing what they do best, making our world a better place.

Here's a suggestion if you so badly need a religion. Convert to Budhism, Zoroastrianism, Pantheism or any of the religions who haven't made any claims of anything supernatural. Then I'm all with you. Using traditional belief systems or moral codes I have no problems with. It's when they are in conflict with me boarding my plane that I get pissed off.