the mind, the soul, and heaven

[dynamicbuttler]

I don't see why these arguments get so philosophical. I really don't. Are you trying to say there is no god? Have fun with trying to do it that way! In terms of arguments and rhetoric, religious and philosophical debate is absolutely crawling with irrational assumptions and get out of jail free cards. You can never corner a religious person with logic, because their mode of thought is so bellow logic that it appears to transcend it.

What I'm getting at is, if you make a point like the one you made, they can say pretty much anything to refute that point. All you've succeeded in doing is getting a philosophical debate going on, full of political correctness and "spirituality" (god I hate that word) in which no one's a loser and everyone has either their own head or a supportive thumb up their ass.

If you want to attack religion, be logical about it- not philosophical. There is no evidence for a soul or a god. Argument done. Notice how very little can be said in return that isn't spiritual, philosophical, religious, programmed, or just plain incorrect.

[Thorne]

There is no evidence for a soul or a god. Argument done. Notice how very little can be said in return that isn't spiritual, philosophical, religious, programmed, or just plain incorrect.

While I agree with what you are saying in principle, by the same token there is no proof that God or a soul does NOT exist. And to be truthful, there is no amount of logic or science which can prove that they don't exist. While we may learn all there is to know about what happened after the Big Bang, there are still no viable theories about WHY the Big Bang occurred, or what came before. SOMETHING caused it, and it might well have been God. There's no proof one way or the other.